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Thread Author: 1983parrothead
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Relationship between Visco, Seta and Allumer.
1983parrothead
I've been kind of researching some info about Visco (known for Breakers/Breakers Revenge, Andros Dunos and Cowboy Kid), Seta (known for The Adventures of Tom Sawyer, Downtown and the SNES Wizard of Oz) and Allumer (known for Blandia and Rezon), about their relationship, and I'm confused. I remember hearing about the SSV Hardware, which its three letters stand for Sammy, Seta and Visco. I also heard from former Romstar and SNK employee Tony Gonzales (a.k.a. Nightmare Tony from the Neo-Geo forum) that Visco and Seta "were one and the same company all around", with Visco possibly being the subset of Seta, due to some of their arcades running on Seta hardware. Does Tony mean that Seta is a parent company of Visco? But Visco came before Seta.

I believe Universal Entertainment Corporation (not to be confused with the movie studio), known for games like Mr. Do!, is the parent company of all of them. In fact, SETA Corporation's website redirects to Universal's, most likely because Aruze (another name for Universal) announced that SETA went out of business around 2 years ago.

SETA's website (archived)

http://www.seta.c... (original link that redirects to Universal's)

Tony also said that one of the most popular early Seta games was the Taito-published Gladiator, which is like a hack 'n slash version of Hudson Soft's first PC Engine/TurboGrafx-16 game, China Warrior, but Gladiator predates China Warrior. However, Gladiator was actually developed by Allumer, a company that two of Seta's company officers previously worked for, one joined as early as January 1984. Makes sense, since two of Gladiator's characters (Guaranos and Irene) later appeared in Allumer's Blandia (with their names changed to Gurianos and Irriana). Allumer also developed Taito's Great Swordsman, another hack 'n slash fighting game that's similar to Gladiator and especially the one-on-one parts of the Japan-only licensed Famicom game published by Taito: Musashi no Ken Tadaima Shugyou Chu (for the kendo parts that is).

Gladiator was included in one of Taito's compiliations "Taito Legends", meaning that Taito owns the rights to it. But what about Blandia? Allumer was under the Taito umbrella, and so were Seta, Visco, Kyugo (known for its Air Wolf/Crossfire games and Ninja Cop Saizou/Wrath of the Black Manta), Kaneko, Technos Japan and others. Was Allumer a division or subsidiary of Taito?

Here are the sources:

http://gdri.smspo...e_Romstars

http://gdri.smspo...y_Gonzalez


I tried to register to the other Neo-Geo forum to ask Tony Gonzales, but every time I create a new topic in any forum, or access his profile, this message pops up:


1983parrothead, you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons:

1. Your user account may not have sufficient privileges to access this page. Are you trying to edit someone else's post, access administrative features or some other privileged system?
2. If you are trying to post, the administrator may have disabled your account, or it may be awaiting activation.



I registered, I activated my account and that's it. I haven't done anything else.
Edited by 1983parrothead on 24. April 2010 07:17
 
NeoStrayCat
That's some story, well, about Making a post at NG.com, there was an issue I had too, it was the same, but let me tell you the answer, you're gonna have to wait a while before you make a new topic at NG.com, cause reason being is because of spammers in that site, and they have done a decent track record of doing it, so you're probably gonna wait about a week or so, even a month as its listed in a topic on their site, so patience is a virtue I guess.
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1983parrothead
^ I appreciate that, Stray.
 
NeoStrayCat
Yep, its NG.com's forums and their rules.
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CRV
Found this thread doing some searching. What specific questions do you have for Mr. Gonzalez?

Post on 2ch about Seta and Visco here. Not sure what it says exactly:

Seta and ビスコ do a capital tie-up; and the relationship that shared a stock.
じゃなかった only for the SSV board which I developed jointly concerned.

Edited by CRV on 06. May 2010 14:38
 
1983parrothead
CRV wrote:
Found this thread doing some searching. What specific questions do you have for Mr. Gonzalez?

Post on 2ch about Seta and Visco here. Not sure what it says exactly:

Seta and ビスコ do a capital tie-up; and the relationship that shared a stock.
じゃなかった only for the SSV board which I developed jointly concerned.


I don't know much Japanese, and NeoGeoForLife's forum and other forums powered by PHP-Fusion aren't compatible with Japanese text. My questions are: Was Allumer a division/subsidiary of Taito?

Here are the English translations of that message you posted:


Google:

Seta Visco was a partner with capital, was a close match with the stock.
SSV Janakatta jointly developed a one-board.

I never went for it. The following is going to get one hour later.



Excite.co.jp:

[Seta] and Visco are relations with the stock the capital tie-up is done each other.
It was not a relation of the jointly developed SSV substrate alone.

It was not though it went for taking. The following go for taking after one hour.

Edited by 1983parrothead on 20. May 2010 08:04
 
CRV
Sorry for the delay. I did ask Gonzalez about Allumer. He said it might have been a later name for Seta. That's probably not correct.
 
1983parrothead
CRV wrote:
Sorry for the delay. I did ask Gonzalez about Allumer. He said it might have been a later name for Seta. That's probably not correct.


The arcade flyers of Blandia and Rezon probably prove that Allumer is a subsidiary of Taito:

http://www.arcade...he+Archive
 
CRV
1983parrothead wrote:
The arcade flyers of Blandia and Rezon probably prove that Allumer is a subsidiary of Taito:


Those don't really prove anything. All the Rezon flyer says is that Allumer developed it and Taito sold (or something) it.
 
1983parrothead
This is most likely a hint saying that Allumer is part of Taito. Taito owns the rights to Gladiator, while it received its own sequel Blandia. Gladiator was added to one of the Taito Museum compilations (proving that Taito owns it), but none of Allumer's games were added to any of them. Taito might of bought the rights to Allumer's entire library without announcing after Allumer suspended its business in 1999.
 
bojan4o
so this game The gladiator does it have some connection with all of this? YouTube Video

Edited by bojan4o on 02. August 2010 10:04
2.bp.blogspot.com/-ydrrBL7IMp4/TcJO0vWWqzI/AAAAAAAAAfU/7iKc_MKXqaY/s1600/The+Lone+Wolf.jpg
 
1983parrothead
No, this Gladiator. I don't know how to post a YouTube video the way you did:

http://www.youtub...kZuZzj9WYs
 
Glowsquid
To embed a video, use the [ movie=youtube ] [ /movie ] tag (remove the spaces) and put the video id (ie: the string of random characters after v=).

Don't have muc of a clue either, but your efforts certainly are impressive. When you're done with this, I'd be interested in knowing just what the hell Pallas (ie: the co-developers of 2020 SUper Baseball, Eight Man and apparently Soccer Brawl) was. I can't find any english info on these guys anywhere on the internet.
Edited by Glowsquid on 09. August 2010 00:06
 
1983parrothead
Thank you Glowsquid.

It is unknown who bought the rights to Allumer's video game library, but I'm sure Taito bought them, because they were formally under Taito's umbrella. Allumer might have been like Kaneko, who was also under Taito's umbrella before becoming an independent company that later became defunct without announcing what company bought the rights to their entire video game library.
 
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