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The Art of Fighting series
Mr Vengeance
Basashi King wrote:
i love the fact that AOF2 is ridiculously tough, even though the game uses underhand jiggery pokery to whup your ass. it is possible to learn how to beat opponents and i get an almost perverse kind of kick out of it! actually i have a copy of this one back home in england, but recently picked one up here in tokyo for the bargain price of 500yen (about 3). you cant argue with that!

i still love the graphics on the game, although the characters feel very wooden. kings stage is an absolute bag of turds though.

as for AOF1, my local corner shop used to have it, but it was way too hard and i was way too poor to have any love for it back then as a wee lad. playing it through emulation recently (admittedly only for a short time) brought back memories of me feeling i was being ripped off of my pocket money.

AOF3 is a completely different kettle of fish, however. the graphics are different but great; it plays smoothly too. i dont play it on emulation much because id like to play it on the aes, as i think its worth owning. i nearly picked it up earlier this week but i walked away with real bout special instead (the price was right) - although i know ill be snapping it up before long.


Real Bout Special = Win Wink


You say you are in Nippon? Are AES games cheaper over there compared to eBay? How much would Garou: Mark of the Wolves on AES go for in Japan do you think?
 
Basashi King
hiya vengeance,

yeah, as youd probably expect neo geo games are much cheaper in the shops here than youll find them anywhere on ebay. they are not priced according to how good they are, rather how rare they are and what kind of condition theyre in. the japanese shops have a system where they classify the condition of things such as ROM cart, manual and box. if there are any slight imperfections, they dont receive the top A grade and the price is lower.

i picked up a sam 3 for about 17 quid before i went back to the uk for a holiday (and left it there - grrr! im missing it) - and it looks brand new although it wasnt even A grade.

im looking to get garou myself, too. id expect to pay the equivalent of at least 70 for it though. its actually not hard to find in the shops, but prices can vary. my real bout special is like new, and i grabbed that for just under 30 quid. normally in good condition youd expect to pay about 50.
 
Mr Vengeance
Wow those prices are good! Real Bout Special for 30 is a bargain! I paid about 70 for it over the summer on eBay. Was well worth it though, been playing it ever since!


Oh, and welcome to the forums mate, hope you'll stick around and have a good time talking to us all Smile
 
Powerwave
wow those prices are amazing I would love to pay them prices. but being in the uk we have to pay that little bit extra. how much would the art of fighting games set you back. aof 2 only set me back 20 quid so it must be realy cheap in japan...am i right?
"Handsome punch-bags never loose battles"
- powerwave the punch bag (bonus kun's lame brother)
 
Basashi King
im no expert on prices but as i said above i picked up AOF2 for 3, but the booklet was a bit dog - eared. prices do vary wildly though from shop to shop, and are dependent on the condition of the cart.

to give one example, ive seen samurai shodown 5 special prices vary by as much as over 100 in the shops. this might have something to do with fixed / unfixed copies though.

you can be pretty sure that games are cheaper here, although it sounds like bargains can sometimes be found online.

the one place i never go to on this site is the sales forum as im in japan! but i dont want to piss anyone off by talking too much about games prices in japan on here! its understandable you have to pay a premium living in places like the uk. it does suck though - i had to pay through the nose by ebaying a sf4 stick for my sisters xbox when i was back home recently. man, it was much more than i wanted to pay but playing sf4 without a stick is just unbearable.

sad thing was, the stick wasnt much cop...
 
NeoGeoNinja
Basashi King wrote:
im no expert on prices but as i said above i picked up AOF2 for 3, but the booklet was a bit dog - eared. prices do vary wildly though from shop to shop, and are dependent on the condition of the cart.

to give one example, ive seen samurai shodown 5 special prices vary by as much as over 100 in the shops. this might have something to do with fixed / unfixed copies though.

you can be pretty sure that games are cheaper here, although it sounds like bargains can sometimes be found online.

the one place i never go to on this site is the sales forum as im in japan! but i dont want to piss anyone off by talking too much about games prices in japan on here! its understandable you have to pay a premium living in places like the uk. it does suck though - i had to pay through the nose by ebaying a sf4 stick for my sisters xbox when i was back home recently. man, it was much more than i wanted to pay but playing sf4 without a stick is just unbearable.

sad thing was, the stick wasnt much cop...


SORRY TO HEAR...
your SF4 stick was... well... shit. Was it the TE version, or just the standard one? I've heard the standard edition was VERY average and I've heard mixed things about the TE version... i.e. overrated and overpriced for what it is. Legend has it, custom built sticks are the way forward...

ALSO, YEAH...
I think if you start to rattle off (what appear to be) dirt cheap prices for lucratively priced AES masterpieces... well, tears will probably be shed. It's obvious they're going to be cheaper in JP but without living there yourself, you're simply at the disposal of eBays super inflated price system. It sucks... hard. Very hard at times. Especially when there's no competitive pricing. Very frustrating at times, especially when the games overpriced and NOT rare... like the 10-20 copies of Radiant Silvergun you see on eBay every day. Rare? No. Wrongfully extortionate... perhaps!

Ninja
 
Basashi King
the stick i picked up was just the standard edition. 'standard' is rather complimentary though. it must have had about 2 weeks moderate play before the weak punch button started to stick.

i tell you, ive read similar comments on the interweb but i always thought 'maybe these jokers are just unnecessarily pounding the s*** out of their sticks.'

but no. theyre not. like me, theyre just buying cheaply made overpriced goods and getting hacked off with 'em.

i too hear modding is the way forwards, but a) i dont know anything about that, and b ) why should i have to mod a joystick just to be able to play a game? surely they should send the things out in better states than they do.
Edited by Basashi King on 14. September 2009 04:45
 
NeoGeoNinja
Basashi King wrote:
...i too hear modding is the way forwards, but a) i dont know anything about that, and b ) why should i have to mod a joystick just to be able to play a game? surely they should send the things out in better states than they do.


Moddings good, yeah, but I actually meant having your sticks built from scratch for a fraction of the price. At some point I'm gonna man-up and get me one... one day.

Ninja
 
Nadanova
Basashi King wrote:
hiya vengeance,

yeah, as youd probably expect neo geo games are much cheaper in the shops here than youll find them anywhere on ebay. they are not priced according to how good they are, rather how rare they are and what kind of condition theyre in. the japanese shops have a system where they classify the condition of things such as ROM cart, manual and box. if there are any slight imperfections, they dont receive the top A grade and the price is lower.

i picked up a sam 3 for about 17 quid before i went back to the uk for a holiday (and left it there - grrr! im missing it) - and it looks brand new although it wasnt even A grade.

im looking to get garou myself, too. id expect to pay the equivalent of at least 70 for it though. its actually not hard to find in the shops, but prices can vary. my real bout special is like new, and i grabbed that for just under 30 quid. normally in good condition youd expect to pay about 50.


Well I know where I'm spending a couple of weeks of my Gap year Smile

NeoGeoNinja wrote:
Especially when there's no competitive pricing. Very frustrating at times, especially when the games overpriced and NOT rare... like the 10-20 copies of Radiant Silvergun you see on eBay every day. Rare? No. Wrongfully extortionate... perhaps!

Ninja


This is true, there were about 8 copies of Metal Slug 4 on Ebay at last count and you'd think they'd lower the prices... no chance, still nobbling around the 200 mark, some are even putting the prices even higher, and the games are becoming more bleeding common ever day.
Edited by Nadanova on 14. September 2009 17:11
Don't mention the war! - Basil Fawlty
 
Mr Vengeance
Prices for AES games can be ridiculously expensive - buying from the US and continental Europe in particular. It far more inexpensive to buy from Japan. You get some good prices from Australia and the UK too - I suppose this comes down to the exchange rate too.

All told though, I think AES cart prices are coming down slowly over the last few months. You just need to keep a lookout for some bargains - like I mentioned on here a few weeks back, I saw a mint Metal Slug 4 go for just 126 in an auction for example.

Lastly, maybe this is the business man in me coming through, but if I were a certain Mr King, living in a certain Neo Geo / Saturn game filled city, I'd be setting a stall up on popular auctiong site eBay for myself any day now..... if you know what I mean Wink Marketing that to the UK, what with you being British and all, would be pretty easy I reckon.....

Maybe you are busy with whatever occupation you currently have Basashi, but with your experties and having both languages, there is definately a buck to be made there for sure.....
 
Basashi King
to be honest vengeance, i just couldnt be arsed with flogging stuff on ebay. i actually know people who do it, selling all kinds of wacky stuff from j - land that people want. frankly, its harder work than youd imagine just boxing the stuff up. its not for me. i do know someone who is into the gaming thing though and who is currently going legit, as in setting up a business, so i know exactly how much effort is required. i see ive taken this thread off topic, so im sorry about that - for me AOF is far more interesting! but i can guarantee i wont be some ebay phantom selling games overseas. too much like hard work!

i would be very interested in hearing opinions on AOF3 from owners as im dying to buy it! i read a review on another site about knockdowns ruining the flow of the game but on my brief emulation plays there seem to be fast ways of getting up which i would hope resolve this issue! f#ck me it looks so tempting seeing it sitting on the shelf! the first time i played it, the knockdown thing did seem a booby though. ive got a poker game coming up on saturday night, and if i win, im going to buy it. i nearly bought it the other day but i grabbed samurai shodown 1 and 2 as i couldnt bear to be away from them - my other copies are sitting at home in england. my wife was enjoying getting stuck in with tam tam when i took the beauties home!
 
NeoGeoNinja
Basashi King wrote:
...i would be very interested in hearing opinions on AOF3 from owners as im dying to buy it! i read a review on another site about knockdowns ruining the flow of the game but on my brief emulation plays there seem to be fast ways of getting up which i would hope resolve this issue! f#ck me it looks so tempting seeing it sitting on the shelf! the first time i played it, the knockdown thing did seem a booby though. ive got a poker game coming up on saturday night, and if i win, im going to buy it. i nearly bought it the other day but i grabbed samurai shodown 1 and 2 as i couldnt bear to be away from them - my other copies are sitting at home in england. my wife was enjoying getting stuck in with tam tam when i took the beauties home!


YOUR WIFE PLAY NEO-GEO?
Impressive stuff ESPECIALLY as I assume she will be utilising a NeoStick? As for AOF3, I have it as part of that Ryukonoken Anthology for PS2. AOF3 ended up being my fave of the 3 in the end... as I have a REAL soft spot for AOF2... it's just a bit of a chore in 1P mode, and as such finding mates hardcore enough to do 'whole-hearted' VS mode is nigh impossible. They'll play KOFXI though, which I guess is a plus (getting most PPL to touch a PS2, or indeed a wired peripheral nowadays is pretty hard to do!). AOF3 looks stunning and plays quite well. I'm a fan of knockdown gameplay myself... I hate moves that leave opponents standing if I were honest (particularly in 3D fighters!). Knockdowns allow you to regain your stance and reassess your strategy. I guess at times it can get annoying, but it doesn't really bother me enough to heavily detract from what is a good game overall. I'd definitely recommend picking it up. I actually think it's a must have title IMO Hmm

Ninja
 
Mr Vengeance
I seriously do not want to know how much AoF 3 AES is out in Tokyo.....Real Sad
 
Basashi King
lol ninja my wife bangs the buttons a lot! shes not a gamer at all, but shes had a few stabs on the neo since its been set up. she liked real bout special; she also seemed interested playing as tam tam too - she was starting to get the timing right. i really like the precision slicing in the samurai games - its a bit different to the norm. the missus is useful for helping me translate all the japanese too. apparently the samurai shodowns use lots of old skool language that isnt used now - what a great touch.

and back to AOF3, how much fun are the other characters to play as aside from robert and ryo? is that lard ass with the bird any fun? and what about the last boss? who is it? cracker or crock of s***? let me know!
 
Genjuro
i played AoF1 a long time ago but dont remember too much about it so i cant base any opinions on it, however AoF2 and 3 are both really fun! they are certainly different from each other because AoF3 is a totally different feeling game. its also upgraded with greater quality animation that doesn't look old at all.

i would say i like AoF3 best, second goes to AoF2 and i'll have to play some rounds of AoF1 someday soon!
 
Basashi King
well, i just lost at poker! not much but i will put off aof3 for a bit just for the hell of it - that and im enjoying samurai shodown 2 so much!

i hear you about the visuals genjuro, im just interested in who, aside from ryo and robert, is great fun to play as. the character roster gets a lot of stick - how many of them is it really a blast to use in the game?
 
Genjuro
yea that's probably the tough part. i used Ryo and Kasumi and liked them the best (Robert pretty good too). the rest of the characters are only ok and Wyler looks weird and uninspired.

other than Ryo and Robert, Kasumi is about the only one i found interesting.
Edited by Genjuro on 19. September 2009 15:54
 
Basashi King
hmm, what a booby. ive only read bad things about wyler. im determined that this turd should remain a mystery until i actually buy the game and behold the debacle for myself. such a shame really - it stinks of a wasted opportunity. only one other character, kasumi, worth a tickle (so to speak). never mind though, eh - i love robert and will probably pick it up anyway, although i have a sneaky suspicion i may end up preferring 2 over 3. it seems to play so smoothly though...

i do love the way the game is presented though, with the map and all.
 
Mr Vengeance
I got out my copy of Art of Fighting Anthology for the PS2 last night. Monitoring a couple of AoF games on eBay, just wanted to refresh my memory a little and see if they are worth my cash....

Anyway, once again, I tried out 2 and.... yeah, you know what happened there, off it went sharpish! Some day maybe it will work out between us... but I wouldn't bank on it Wink

Anyway, went and got stuck into 1. As I've said I'm quite a fan. Mind you, I've never actually beaten the game. I would always get stuck in a rut and give up, giving out about the controls and that. Anyway, I got through it and had quite a bit of fun. The controls are a serious issue though on both the Virtual Console and PS2 versions of this game. Like, trying to pull off a simple dragon punch is sooo unreliable! Controls feel terrible. Some moves work better than others though and it does 'feel' very satisfying to play because of the huge sprites and awesome sound effects. Anyway, got up to Mr Big, who I didn't really have much problem with. Onto the final boss, Takuma / Mr Karate and.... I just got hammered, over and over again. He is so much faster, he's a lot tougher and his attacks hit harder. Even getting the odd round off him was an achievement, though I eventually beat him. The worse thing about the fight really was the terribly stiff and unresponsive, super-sluggish controls that I was up against. Still, its a game I still truly love and appreciate, warts and all.

Tell me though people, does it control as badly on the AES??
 
tony starks
Mr Vengeance wrote:
I got out my copy of Art of Fighting Anthology for the PS2 last night. Monitoring a couple of AoF games on eBay, just wanted to refresh my memory a little and see if they are worth my cash....

Anyway, once again, I tried out 2 and.... yeah, you know what happened there, off it went sharpish! Some day maybe it will work out between us... but I wouldn't bank on it Wink

Anyway, went and got stuck into 1. As I've said I'm quite a fan. Mind you, I've never actually beaten the game. I would always get stuck in a rut and give up, giving out about the controls and that. Anyway, I got through it and had quite a bit of fun. The controls are a serious issue though on both the Virtual Console and PS2 versions of this game. Like, trying to pull off a simple dragon punch is sooo unreliable! Controls feel terrible. Some moves work better than others though and it does 'feel' very satisfying to play because of the huge sprites and awesome sound effects. Anyway, got up to Mr Big, who I didn't really have much problem with. Onto the final boss, Takuma / Mr Karate and.... I just got hammered, over and over again. He is so much faster, he's a lot tougher and his attacks hit harder. Even getting the odd round off him was an achievement, though I eventually beat him. The worse thing about the fight really was the terribly stiff and unresponsive, super-sluggish controls that I was up against. Still, its a game I still truly love and appreciate, warts and all.

Tell me though people, does it control as badly on the AES??


The controls are pretty stiff on the Neo also but moves are a lot easier to pull off using a stick. Mr Karate ain't that hard to beat once you master using the wall jump ( I can't remember but you press c when you jump off the walls I think). Do you use a pad when playing on the PS2 because pulling off the Haoh Shoukou Ken in the bonus game is a bitch as opossed to forward, half circle forward and C using a stick. Also using throwing helps a hell of a lot.

HTH Wink
Starks is always out
 
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