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MMA?
SteveDave
Opinions on MMA? (Mixed Martial Arts for those unfamiliar)

Fun to watch?
Too brutal, not brutal enough?

I am no longer a hardcore fan, the sudden rise in exposure has had its backlashes.

Namely the jock, meat-head, assholes that have started to train MMA so they can try to beat people up for a living when they flunk out of high school. That being said, I still like to catch a good card every now and then. One thing is for sure, it's not as corrupt as boxing (yet) so that's always a plus.
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shion
Hate it.

Never cared for it. I don't know about the corruption that goes on in MMA, but I assume you mean fixed fights. Now boxing, I am a huge fan. Although, I can see what you mean about boxing; I'm not an expert, but even I can tell when a fight is fixed. It's happened a few times, and ever time it does, I get up and go into the other room (where there isn't a TV). I m ean, what's the freaking point if the fight is already fixed. Sometimes, the way the fighters enter the ring can be telling. If one is a bit too cocky or showoff-y, then there's a chance something's up.

Interesting fact: I almost got in a fight with an amateur MMA fighter.
 
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SteveDave
1st Super Tobalman wrote:
Hate it.

Never cared for it. I don't know about the corruption that goes on in MMA, but I assume you mean fixed fights. Now boxing, I am a huge fan. Although, I can see what you mean about boxing; I'm not an expert, but even I can tell when a fight is fixed. It's happened a few times, and ever time it does, I get up and go into the other room (where there isn't a TV). I m ean, what's the freaking point if the fight is already fixed. Sometimes, the way the fighters enter the ring can be telling. If one is a bit too cocky or showoff-y, then there's a chance something's up.

Interesting fact: I almost got in a fight with an amateur MMA fighter.

I was talking more about the BS titles and crooked promotion companies that are tied in with boxing, not so much fixed fights. I like both sports, and frankly I have been watching way more boxing in the past year than MMA. This has been a REALLY good year for boxing, though. Fight quality has been amazing. Any who, I said MMA isn't corrupt *yet* because the boxing promoters are already digging their claws in, I give it another couple years.

Oh, and that doesn't surprise me at all Grin
Not because you dislike MMA, I just bet that guy was a prick.
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shion
Think of the typical MMA fighter as your generic high school bully who may or may not have graduated high school, and who is stunted in that miserable state of petty bullying. Socially, he will not grow much more during his life.

One thing I'm not looking forward to in basic training is putting up with the wannabe MMA fighter. The only thing almost as worse as talking to an MMA fighter is putting up with a wannabe MMA fighter, who, when in the presence of an MMA fighter, will act like the MMA fighter's b****. Anyone ever notice that? I imagine most of the 18, 19, 20 year olds coming into basic training are raised watching MMA fights (as I wasn't, I was raised watching boxing). I'm not looking forward to listening to all the MMA talk that might go on around me during basic training. All the kids acting like MMA is the best thing since sliced bread. Pfft, f*** that!
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RiKo
I have never seen MMA but I love boxing - it is really the only sport I watch at the moment. Boxing does has its problems but there have been some great fights recently. Its especially good now there isn't so much focus on the heavyweight division - to see the other divisions getting the attention they deserve.
What I hate is that there are too many organisations (WBO,IBF, WBA,WBU etc) , and that the best fighters rarely fight anyone half-decent for the first half of their career. Its understandable - its eems like if you lose even one fight you take a huge step back in your career. The UK media also is rubbish at reporting good fights.

I've seen a few UFC fights (is this MMA?)- I should watch more really - I do find a bit brutal when they get on top of someone and punch and elbow them. I don't really want to see people getting badly hurt. Also the fight seems to be almost over at this point so it can be a bit disappointing.
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I love ANYTHING martial arts. Particularly boxing and MMA (and yes UFC is a Mixed Martial Arts competition, and thus is MMA). Thanks to these MMA matches, world class fighters are being brought together to pit technique over technique, might over might, and learn from each other. And I actually found UFC to be not brutal enough, seeing as it's still following teh rules of American TV (ie that's why there are differing rules regarding the use of elbows and knees). In competitions in countries like thailand, matches are more brutal (due to the elbows being used A LOT). But yeah nothing can stop me from watching championship fights, both boxing and MMA, so long as I don't forget the darned date Pfft


What I don't like are greedy-assed promoters, because in the good ol' days, boxing matches are broadcast live without having to pay for it and everyone would get together and watch (unlike other sports, which can still be watched live for free). It's suspect that they sometimes fix fights for extra money as well (all for those sports betting)

But yeah I'm a martial arts enthusiast, and I say that pretty much anyone who learned more than one martial arts style can be labeled as "Mixed Martial Artist" by technicality. And as for those cocky "MMA"-training bastards who learn how to fight just so as to intimidate other people and pick fights without a good reason to? What they don't know is that one of the things they should learn is to never fuckin' underestimate other people, because they have as much potential to kill you as you do, and they might've trained as well. Also, the ring is different from the streets, because most of the techniques that are not used in the ring are the very same techniques that people will use against you, since the streets know no rules. And if they know you know MMA, all they also need to do is bring a knife or gun and all those years of training are kaput.

But yeah despite that, MMA is good, brutal fun, and the feeling of pitting might against might, with brains and brawn used in tandem, is surely a great feeling.
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RiKo
I think I will watch some more UFC to see if I like it. I watched a program in the Uk where an actor trained to become a UFC fighter - which was tough for him because he practically had no arms (as a result of Thalidimide) - he got really good at kicking though - but he got into big trouble when he got put on the canvas.

I have never met a wannabe MMA fighter, but I think a lot of the boxers on TV come accross as being very arrogant - but I think you have to be. One of my friends who is a martial artist always used to say that the best form of self-defence is to runaway and to not get a fight in the first place. In fact the 2 people I know who are martial artists are probably 2 of the nicest gentlest people I know. I think it depends why you go into it.

Yes I have trouble seeing many of the big fights in boxing now. I get Sky Sports in the Uk which used to show all of those major fights on pay-per-view - but you could watch it free a week later, but now Setanta Sports holds most of the rights to boxing, so I miss most of that. I don't really want to pay to watch fights on TV:(
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sukotsuto
I have my ways of watching anticipated boxing matches live without paying Wink The quality is not good, but it's not bad enough to ruin my viewing experience.

But yeah in the ring, you adopt the mentality and attitude needed to relax or pump themselves up, their personal mind frame that they think will make them win, may it be quiet and serious or loud, arrogant and cocky. Those play a role in a psyche war between fighters as well, that's why in a fight between experts, brawn alone simply won't do.
 
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SteveDave
While we're on boxing, anybody a fan of the Gatti/Ward fights?
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RiKo
hmmm - I have seen those - but only in clip form - they were meant to be real wars Smile

One of my favourite fights ever was the first Morales Vs Barrera fight. There was a UK fight recently which was as good but I can't think of it now. Those fights rarely ever come along - which makes them so special when they do happen.

I really rate Mike Tyson as a boxer - in his younger days - I think a lot of people underrate him. He was so fast for a heavyweight. Later in his career there was no head movement and he was just getting caught all the time.
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sukotsuto
I always prioritize a Pacquiao fight over all, because I'm Filipino Pfft Without the bias of nationality though, Pacquiao got Ali's praise for being one of the best pound-for-pound, so he really is something. Plus, Oscar "Golden Boy" De La Hoya got owned big time in in the Pacquiao/De La Hoya fight.
 
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RiKo
The PAC-man Grin He's a great fighter - though I think De La Hoya was a bit poor that night - maybe weight drained (and a bit old). But it doesn't take away from Pacquiao's greatness.

Most people think that Floyd Mayweather was the best pound for pound in recent years (although he's kind of retired now), I'm not sure if he was in a real testing fight though, which was a shame. I mean he fought some good fighters but none of them really seemed to push him.

I used to think Shane Mosley was great - when he beat De La Hoya superbly, but he then lost quite a few fights.

Naseem Hamed was great entertainment - but you have to question the quality of a lot of his opponents. The Kevin Kelly fight was great when they kept knocking each other down. He seemed to lose his reactions towards the end of his career too.
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The Mayweather era was horrible for the light weight classes IMO. He only fought one rematch his whole career and, as you mentioned RiKo, he never fought anyone that could push him.

Also, I noticed that after he "retired" the fight quality in boxing went up ten fold. Nobody liked "Money" May taking all the spotlight...

Anyone watch the BJ Penn/George St. Pierre UFC fight?
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MMA? Nah... I am a big fan of Taekwondo, a sport I am also active in personally.
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tony starks
SteveDave wrote:

Anyone watch the BJ Penn/George St. Pierre UFC fight?


Yeah I did, I could not believe how easily Penn got dominated by GSP, it was hard to watch (I love both fighters). Did you see Lyoto Machida vs Thiago Silva Awesome fight. For those who have never watched a UFC or Pride you should check it out with an open mind. If you have seen some of the early UFC fights you can see that the sport has come a long way. For those like me who live in the UK and don't subscribe to Setanta, here is a better way to catch the fight free.


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Mr Vengeance
I quite like watching MMA fighting myself. Fights are usually really interesting to watch, sometimes even epic, like this one I saw tonight with two blokes whose names elude me! But.... sometimes it goes a bit too far, like the fight the other night between that French Canadian guy and the Hawaiian BJ Penn or whatever he's called. Canadian guy knocked seven bells out of his opponent - he almost pulped the guy's head with his fists and elbows - BJ didn't know what was going on and the other guy just wouldn't stop and the referee wouldn't call the fight even though it was completely obvious that BJ was not going to stand a chance. At one point I thought the Canadian was not going to stop until he killed him. Eventually the ref called the fight after a doctor ruled BJ wasn't thinking straight or something, but in my opinion the fight had went on a round too long - ref maybe was under pressure to keep the fight going for as long as possible to keep the crowd happy, but in my opinion it went on too long, and it just wasn't pleasurable to watch - I felt I was just watching some guy getting beat up - it just wasn't a fair fight towards the end.

So whilst I love watching a fair fight, I believe the referees must know when to call fights before someone ends up seriously injured or worse.
 
SteveDave
Just watched the Machida/Silva fight Thumbs Up

I think Machida is a tactical fighting genius, although some would say that he's just boring. That KO helped changed a few minds, though. He's going to be really tough to beat unless someone figures out the holes in his Karate style.
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sukotsuto
Finally found this thread! Bumping this up since I'm an avid martial arts enthusiast.

Anyway, I've taken up Brazilian Jiu Jitsu for a couple of weeks, stopped, then went back and grappled earlier during open mat. In my three rolling sessions, I was able to pull off a heel hook submission Grin I lost in the other two rolls though, since I was tired as hell. Anyone taking/took up any grappling martial art here?
 
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Tonight...tomorrow (Swedish time); UFC 131, Im going to watch it are you?

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Main event: Dos Santos vs Carwin

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RiKo
Proper fighting is not for me. I like to watch it though. When i first saw MMA i didnt like it because i thought the fights were over too fast and the referee let people get beat up for too long before they stopped fights. but now i like to watch it, and it doesnt seem too violent, and the referees seem to jump in at the right moment. Im not sure if i have become desentized or if things have changed. but yes i will watch that fight if its on TV Smile
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